A chat with an abortion advocate [REPOST]

I think it was a good way to start my 21st year on earth. She was campaigning for Elizabeth Colbert-Busch and I asked what Mrs. Colbert-Busch’s stance on abortion was.

“Elizabeth believes that abortion is a woman’s personal private choice.” Well this is why I cannot possibly stand beside Elizabeth. I categorically deny that a woman has the right to choose to end the life of her child.

“Well, we appreciate your opinion, but you cannot force it on others.” Ma’am, I’m not speaking in the realm of opinions. I am saying that it is actually and truly wrong for anyone to end the life of their child by abortion. This is a moral claim more akin to the statement ‘insulin treats diabetes’ than it is to ‘vanilla is the best flavor of ice-cream.’ You’re the one forcing abortions on the 3,000 children aborted every year, and violating their right to live.

“No, sir, you’re stating an opinion, and no one’s opinion is better than anyone else’s.” Of course they are, otherwise you wouldn’t disagree with me. Are all opinions equally valid and true? “Of course!” Then you agree with me that it’s wrong to kill children, because my opinion, as you call it, is equally valid and as true as your opinion.

“Well sir, a child isn’t a child until it’s been born.” What’s the difference? A few inches travel? “It’s no longer dependent on the mother.” It’s still largely dependent on the mother! “It has the breath of God in its lungs.” God says that He knit us together in our mother’s womb and that He knew us before we were born.

“Sir, read the Hebrew Bible.” Ma’am, I just quoted the Hebrew Bible to you. Ha-Shem makes it clear that life begins before the moment of birth. “Sir, read the Hebrew Bible.”

At this point she walked away rapidly. I kid you not. She just. walked. away. Power-walked, in fact.

I did not edit or rephrase this: As best as I remember this is true to our conversation. It was telling, to say the least. 

Here are a few thoughts about this encounter that I hope help you next time you talk to someone with these or similar convictions:

  • Remember to always use accurate vocabulary. By referring to the unborn as a child (what it is) rather than a fetus (its current developmental stage) we trade sterilized language for words that make our point clear: At stake is a human life and we are not willing to let that go so flippantly. 
  • Stay on their level. Obviously I could have just turned to scripture right from the start, but there is no way of knowing that she accepts scripture as authoritative. By waiting until she brought it up, I engaged her where she was. 
  • Be polite, yet persistent. Again, with human lives being lost every day to this horror, let us be dogged in the opportunities that are afforded us. I could have simply said “agree to disagree” and left it at that. Hopefully she’ll remember the guy who stood next to her and patiently engaged her, disagreeing without being disagreeable.
  • One thing I wish I had done: Chuckle a bit. Disarm them by asking something like “why would you believe a silly thing like that?” when they say a fetus isn’t a child, or a woman has an open-ended right to choose. This is not derisive laughter at someone, it’s bemused laughter about a silly idea. A jovial nature is impressively helpful when discussing something so intense as abortion, so the laughter helps to set the tone.

I hope that this exchange is enlightening and helpful for you. It was certainly an interesting experience first-hand. May God use us all to love and serve even our tiniest of neighbors!

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10 responses to “A chat with an abortion advocate [REPOST]

  1. Too bad it is your opinion whether abortion is wrong or not.

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    • It’s not my opinion. The unborn child is a human person, and no human should be murdered simply for convenience. These are moral facts. If you’d like to dispute them, feel free. But while you’re at it, you can also try disputing things like gravity and thievery being wrong.

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      • Moral fact is an oxymoron. Everyone is raised with slightly different morals- what makes you so special that you get to impose your views on everyone?
        I can tell you’re a huge douche bag, there’s lots of scientific knowledge that actually refutes your claim.

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      • Do you believe that rape is actually wrong, or just wrong because the victim doesn’t like it? If you believe it’s actually wrong, then you’re affirming a moral fact: Rape is wrong. If you deny that rape is actually wrong, you’re morally blinded.

        Do not come to my blog and call names. This is your one warning. I am entirely willing to engage in discourse, regardless of whether we agree or disagree. But I will not tolerate name-calling, of myself or anyone else.

        If there were such copious scientific evidence refuting my claims (namely, that the unborn is human, it is alive, and there is no morally significant difference between it and a toddler) then you should be able to easily show me that evidence. Rather, you stood on cheap shots — moral facts don’t exist? Really? — and name-calling. This style of argumentation simply shows how weak your case is; how exciting to know that the pro-choice position is so utterly void of credibility.

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  2. Well,this is what the woman should have said: what person has the right to use another person’s body against their will? Why is chosing not to be an incubator wrong? While abortion has the undesireable consequence taht one life does not get to continue, that life has no right to infringe on an other person’s body without said person’s consent. Note that consent is also continuous, it can be given one day and revoked the next, so if your response would be to argue that sex is consent, that would be very wrong.

    Does any life, besides in nations where abortion is illegal, have the right to use a non-consenting individuals body? Can I use yours? No.

    Abortion is the eviction of a life, and because of the stage of development it leads to the demise of that life. However no one has the obligation to sustain another life if they have no desire to do so (if we’re talking about born people then you can give the responsibility to someone else).

    I’m interested in hearing if you’re able to argue against these facts.

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    • Would a mother who “evicted” her newborn child out into the elements and allowed it to perish be pardoned simply because she rescinded her consent? What if the child was inconvenient to her? Would that grant her a pardon? Can I start offing people just because I don’t “consent” to their existence? No; this is a morally laughable position.

      Consent is not always continuous. To have sex is to consent to the possibility of pregnancy. No one has the right to end someone’s life just because it’s inconvenient or an annoyance. You do, in fact, have an obligation to sustain life if you can. Your argument makes no sense, and is based in everything but fact.

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  3. I also forgot to say: the woman wasn’t there to discuss abortion. Her walking away has nothing to do with how her stance on abortion is, or how right or wrong it is, but the fact that you approached her and started a debate on a topic she wasn’t there to discuss. You were disturbing her, so she walked away. If you wish to have a debate on abortion you should partake with willing participants that are there to discuss it.

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    • Actually, I was walking around and she approached me. As she was trying to win my vote for a particular political candidate, I asked her that candidates position on an issue that is key to my decisions. She was disturbing my evening out celebrating my wife’s birthday. I wasn’t there to discuss politics, but since she engaged me, I took time out of my night to discuss things with her. Her walking away was probably a combination of her frustration that I was dismantling her arguments and the fact that she felt she could do more good for her campaign with someone else.

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  4. Dear Jonathan, it is rather telling that you have chosen not to publish my comments.

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    • Rebecca, I hadn’t published your comments because I hadn’t had time to reply to them and I didn’t want to leave them unanswered. I do have a life outside of the internet y’know. Your comments are published now. What does that tell you?

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